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Friday, October 20, 2017

Torsion Bar Lowering

Posted by admin On January - 25 - 2009

TORSION BAR LOWERING BY SANDY BROWN

How Much?

The first thing you have to do is decide how much you want to lower the rear of the car. If you are fitting front lowering springs at the same time, fit them first so you can measure how much they actually drop the, rather than how much the makers claim they do. Make sure the ground is pretty level before measuring. My preferred way to do this is put a horizontal strip of masking tape on the edge of the sill near the front wheel arch and measure the height from the floor. Make a note of the height and you can compare the new height after the springs are fitted, the difference is how much it has been lowered; this is best done after a short test drive to settle the springs.

The rear of the car should be slightly higher than the front on Peugeots, 10-20mm usually to preserve turn in, lift off oversteer and acceptable weight transfer under braking. I usually try to get 10mm higher at the back on 205’s and 309’s, but 15 seems to look best on 106’s.

The car will probably already be 10-20mm higher at the back, so if you have lowered the front 35mm for example, you’ll only want lower the back by the same amount.

PLEASE NOTE:

This is a hints and tips type guide, it’s up to you to ensure the work is done properly and safely, this guide is not intended to provide complete and comprehensive advice. If you are unsure about the process in any way, seek the help of a professional! I can’t hold your hand.

Altering the ride height can affect the bias of the braking system. I strongly advise that you immediately have the front-rear brake bias checked and if necessary adjusted after altering the ride height, to ensure safe operation. (MOT stations have brake performance testing equipment suitable for this task).

Lowering the car may cause the springs to have insufficient travel, causing sudden bump stop or tyre to body contact which can have extreme and instant negative effect on the handling of the car, which could result in a loss of control with dire consequences. For this reason, extreme lowering is strongly discouraged.

Preparation

First off, while the car is on the ground, just undo the rear wheelnuts a touch, it’s easier now.

Jack the car up (preferably with a Trolley Jack under the crosstube), so that axle stands can be placed under the car. On the 106 be careful not to damage the fuel tank with the Jack. Do not undertake this job without axle stands.

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Note the axle stands are mounted well clear of the dampers etc, so they don’t get in the way. The 205 is pictured, the fuel tank makes this awkward in the 106, so put them under the rear jacking points on the sills.

Lower the car onto the axle stands ensuring they don’t tilt.

Remove the rear wheels.

Dampers

Shocks as they are commonly known (this is not technically the correct name). Some people leave them on when lowering, but you should remove them for this method. The damper bolt threads will will be quite rusty on 205/306/309 and may need to be replaced after violent removal! If you re-use them, clean the bolt threads as best you can first with a wire brush.

On 205/306/309 undo the 18mm nut on the top bolt using an 18mm spanner on the bolt and 18mm socket and ratchet on the nut, this may be easier if you remove the spare wheel, the exhaust backbox may also be in the way. Remove the bolt. Undo the 21mm nut on the lower damper bolt and use a punch and hammer to knock the bolt out, do not hammer the thread, it’ll get damaged and take care not to bend the brake pipe. Remove the Damper.

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205 Damper nuts

On 106 undo the 18mm nut on the top bolt using an 18mm spanner on the bolt and 18mm socket and ratchet on the nut, this may be easier if you remove the spare wheel, the exhaust backbox may also be in the way. Undo the 21mm nut on the lower damper bolt and if the damper won’t come off use a punch and hammer to knock the bolts out, do not hammer the thread, it’ll get damaged.

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106 Damper nuts

Measure The Damper Bolt Centres

For this method of lowering, you need to know the distance between the Damper bolt holes before you remove the Torsion Bars. Support the Trailing Arm’s weight slightly and use a ruler or tape measure to measure the distance between the bolt hole centres.

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106 driver’s side shown 205/306/309etc similar.

Anti Roll Bar

The Anti Roll Bar (ARB) is connected to each trailing arm by a splined plate secured by a 13mm bolt. You only need to remove the bolt from one end of the ARB to disconnect it, driver’s side on the 106, passenger’s side on 205/306/309.

If you want to remove the rear ARB (optional, not essential unless the trailing arms need to be removed):

Undo the nylon bolt (Torx or Allen headed depending on year).

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Nylon bolt in ARB end plate

Now you need to get a bolt with exactly the same thread as the nylon one (M12×1.50) and about 50mm long minimum, screw it into the hole finger tight. Remove the 13mm bolt from the other end of the plate. Now tighten the big bolt in the hole and it will “press” the plate off the ARB.

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Here’s the end plate removed from the ARB

Unbolting The Torsion Bars

106- On each end of the Torsion Bars there are Torx bolts and eccentric (offset) washers to be removed.

205/306/309- There are Torx bolts and eccentric (offset) washers on the outer ends, and 13mm nuts and plain washers on the inner ends.

 

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106 Passenger’s side shown, Driver’s side similar.

Make sure you have a good quality T40 Torx bit for these bolts, as they are easily damaged, which will seriously complicate the job!! If they do prove difficult to undo (quite likely) then use a flat blade chisel and hammer on the edge of the bolt to shock it undone, but the bolt may not be re-useable. Then remove the eccentric washer by tapping it into the middle of the hole with a chisel (gently) and “tip” it out as shown below, if it’s difficult, then it may still be in the groove. Clean away any rust from around the washer and try again.

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”Tipping” out the eccentric washer

205/306/309- Remove the 13mm nut and washers from the inner ends of the Torsion Bars.

Removing The Torsion Bars

This is the difficult bit, if they have been removed before and greased, then it can be really easy, but usually it is quite difficult and will wear down your will to “lower”! But I’ll do my best to guide you…

First of all, support the trailing arm’s weight on the side you are removing, on 106 the front bar is passenger’s side and the rear bar is drivers side, on 205/306/309 it’s the other way round! (Don’t know why, pug logic.)

If you have a slide hammer available, attach it to an M8×1.25 bolt or stud threaded deep into the outer end of the Torsion Bar and bang it out, but take care that the trailing arm doesn’t come out of the crosstube, if it does then I’ll cover that in a minute. I don’t like using a slide hammer myself, as it often damages the thread inside the bar from the impact load, making life harder later, but it’s up to you.

Otherwise I recommend using a long M8×1.25 bolt or stud with a nut, large washer and large socket (bigger inside that the end of the Torsion Bar), to “pull” the Torsion Bar out. This method is highly effective, but gentler and quieter!

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The Torsion Bar is out in this picture, but hopefully you can see how it works, you screw the Bolt all the way into the Torsion Bar, then tighten the Nut which pulls the Bar against the Socket etc.

If the nut becomes tight and it seems to be going nowhere, hit the torsion bar with a hammer behind the trailing arm to shock it and the preload of the nut should move it slightly, retighten the nut and hammer again, this is slow, but the only way.

If the Bar still won’t budge, then chances are the inner end will come free, allowing the trailing arm to be removed once the brakes have been disconnected (rear callipers can simply be unbolted, but drums will need the hose unbolted and be bled after).

Using a gas torch to heat the trailing arm/torsion bar up on the car I’d not recommend, due to the proximity of the fuel tank. Remove it first in my opinion!

To remove the torsion bar by force once off the car, (205/306/309- remove the screw stud from the end of the torsion bar first), screw a suitable bolt (pug seat bolts are perfect) and a large washer into the end of the bar to protect it, stand the torsion bar upright with the arm on a block of wood as shown below and belt the crap out of the bolt on the end. This method has never failed me yet. As shown below…

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Victory is sweet!

Refit the trailing arm if you used the method above, taking care not to damage the bearings in the crosstube as the arm is inserted, if it need more than shove to go in, it’s not right.

205/306/309- refit the screw stud into the end of the torsion bar and finger tighten.

Once both torsion bars are free from their splines, freshen up the splines with a wire brush to remove rust and grease them thoroughly ready for re-fitting.

Now’s a good time for a tea break, so you have a clear head for the technical bit.

Setting The Torsion Bars

This is the crucial bit. The first thing you need to now is that the rear dampers (shocks) move at 1/3rds the rate of the height, so if the car drops 30mm the damper moves 10mm. Since the spring rate of the torsion bar stays as good as the same whatever height you set it at; you can simply reduce the idle damper measurement by 1/3rds the amount you want to lower the car, and refit the torsion bars there and a new ride height is set. The adjustment of the torsion bars isn’t quite infinite, but about 3mm increments. Remember what measurement you recorded for the damper hole centres.

Example: (Starting from 348mm Damper setting (309 gti standard))

Lowering by 30mm, 1/3rds of 30 is 10, so reduce damper setting by 10mm.

Original damper measurement 348mm, minus 10mm, equals 338mm.

So you need in this example to fix the damper holes 338mm apart to ensure the torsion bars are set right. To do this, either drill a piece of wood with two 16mm holes the correct distance apart (between hole centres), which works fine or my latest discovery is that a 205/309 gear linkage cross rod (the longer one) makes a great adjustable dummy damper once you’ve knocked the nylon bushes out! As shown below:

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205/309 gear linkage cross rod makes great dummy shock, for setting the ride height!

Fit the special tool piece of wood or rod in place of the Damper, using the Damper bolts to hold it in position (no nuts required). Then slide the torsion bar on that side into its holes, and try to push in into the splines by hand, but you’ll need to keep turning it on one spline and trying again until you find the spline it just slides in on, if you have to use force to get it in then it’s probably not the right spline! Once you’ve found the right spline, you will most likely need to tap it in the last little bit with a punch and hammer, but if it needs a whack, something is wrong, remove it and try again. Make sure the bar is in far enough for the eccentric washer to be fitted on the outer end (the trailing arm end) and refit the washer and Torx bolt, then tighten the Torx bolt which will pull the torsion bar against the washer. Grease the bolt head thoroughly.

Don’t over tighten the Torx bolts, you’ll regret it next time!

106- Fit the Torx bolt and washer on the inner end of that torsion bar.

205/309- unscrew the screw stud on the inner end of the torsion bar until it stops, then refit the 13mm locknut on it and tighten the nut whilst holding the screw tight with a screwdriver.

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205/306/309 inner end of torsion bar

Remove the special tool wood or bar and fit on the other side and repeat the process.

Refit ARB End Plate (If you opted to remove it)

Once the special tool wood or rod has been removed, it’s time to refit the ARB end plate. It has to go on the right spline so as you position it on the splines, line it up by putting a screwdriver or stud through the small hole into the trailing arm, as shown below:

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309 shown

Find the bolt, nut, socket and washers you used earlier to pull out the bars and screw them into the end of the ARB through the large hole in the end plate. Now tighten the nut to press the end plate onto the ARB.

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Using a bolt and nut to press on the end plate, I’m not using the socket in this picture or a long bolt, but the effect is the same on the 309.

The small bolt hole on the end plate should line up exactly, if it’s only slightly out, the bars may have sagged or the Axle twisted slightly over time, but if it’s hard to get the bolt in, then either the ARB plate isn’t on the right spline if you’ve removed it, (press it off and refit it) or one torsion bar has been set differently to the other and you must unfortunately go back and rest one bar to match the other L.

Refitting The Dampers

Refit both Dampers with the bolts and nuts slightly undone, enough that you can turn them still with your fingers. Now put the jack under one trailing arm and jack it up until it just lifts the car off the axle stand on that side. Now tighten the Damper nuts, being careful not to rock the car, as it’s not very well supported at this stage! Remove the Jack and repeat on the other side. This method ensures the Damper bushes aren’t twisted when the car is driving normally, so the ride is better and the bushes won’t shear from stress. Refit the calipers or brake lines if you had to remove them earlier, and bleed the brakes if the hoses were disconnected.

Finishing Off

Refit the rear wheels and torque the wheel bolts, refit the spare wheel and/or backbox if you removed either. Jack the car up on the Crosstube, remove the axle stands and lower the car carefully onto the floor. Let off the handbrake and bounce the car a few times before checking the ride height is a) what you wanted and b) the same on both sides within 10mm. Now test drive the car to make sure there are no strange noises, and don’t forget that if the brakes have been bled they make not bite first time!! Hopefully it’ll look right and handle right.

Please remember you do this entirely at your own risk, I have done my best to explain it well and I have assumed a certain amount of common sense and ability. If you are unsure, take no chances and have a professional check your work. Also bear in mind that the handling characteristics and braking ability of the car may be affected, therefore it’s important you drive with this in mind and inform your insurer of the modifications. Good luck. Sandy Brown 2007

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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